Re: Gut-check: Implementing update errors in feedback for macOS to support gTech/gUP MBA intern project
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Mark Mentovai
Jan 19, 2022, 6:30:55 PM1/19/22
to Craig Tumblison, chrome-up...@chromium.org
Hey, Craig! The updater for both Mac and Windows is in a state of transition. Let’s see what chrome-updates-dev has to say about their timeline and feasibility.
Mark
On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 12:15 PM Craig Tumblison <craigtu...@google.com> wrote:
Hey Mark,My team is putting together a proposal to host an MBA intern this spring, and we've identified Chrome's update error messages as space with great project opportunity on the support experience side.I'm reaching out to check if you or someone on your team may be able to help implement crbug/985209 this spring, which requests update errors be captured in Chrome feedback submissions.Here is an example of the work that was landed to implement on Windows, which grt@ was able to assist with. I understand the changes for macOS may require a different approach /have different complexity.If it would be possible for your team to assist with this, it would allow us to revisit the go/update-errors proposal from UX as part of the intern project, and build toward larger updates in the future.Let me know if it seems possible to prioritize this work or not, or if there's a more appropriate channel I should run this though. We're not seeking a formal commitment at this time, and we appreciate the review and input either way :)Thanks!
Sorin Jianu
Jan 19, 2022, 6:54:08 PM1/19/22
to Mark Mentovai, Craig Tumblison, chrome-up...@chromium.org
On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 10:30 AM 'Mark Mentovai' via Chrome Updates Development <chrome-up...@chromium.org> wrote:
Hey, Craig! The updater for both Mac and Windows is in a state of transition. Let’s see what chrome-updates-dev has to say about their timeline and feasibility.
Yes, we will be able to help.
MarkOn Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 12:15 PM Craig Tumblison <craigtu...@google.com> wrote:Hey Mark,My team is putting together a proposal to host an MBA intern this spring, and we've identified Chrome's update error messages as space with great project opportunity on the support experience side.I'm reaching out to check if you or someone on your team may be able to help implement crbug/985209 this spring, which requests update errors be captured in Chrome feedback submissions.Here is an example of the work that was landed to implement on Windows, which grt@ was able to assist with. I understand the changes for macOS may require a different approach /have different complexity.If it would be possible for your team to assist with this, it would allow us to revisit the go/update-errors proposal from UX as part of the intern project, and build toward larger updates in the future.Let me know if it seems possible to prioritize this work or not, or if there's a more appropriate channel I should run this though. We're not seeking a formal commitment at this time, and we appreciate the review and input either way :)Thanks!
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Craig Tumblison
Jan 19, 2022, 8:13:13 PM1/19/22
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Thanks so much for the triage, Mark!
Sorin, thanks for confirming that you'll be able to assist! Is there anything I should do to formally log/request this? If not, I'll plan on following up to confirm things closer to the start of Q2.
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Joshua Pawlicki
Jan 19, 2022, 8:29:54 PM1/19/22
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There are a couple things to be aware of here that aren't captured on the bug. As Mark said, we're currently replacing the old updater with a new one.
1 - Some of these error cases are going away entirely (for example, "error: updater is currently running"). New ones may be introduced (hopefully not new error classes, but perhaps new codes / details). So there might be a bit of a moving target.
2 - The APIs from which the detailed error data can be fetched are changing and the timeline of that change is not concrete (depends on rollout telemetry, etc). At any rate, spring is probably too early for the new APIs to ship. Yet, coding against the old APIs has limited impact. (And may not be feasible on Mac in the first place without modifying Keystone.)
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Craig Tumblison
Jan 19, 2022, 8:57:31 PM1/19/22
to Joshua Pawlicki, Sorin Jianu, Mark Mentovai, chrome-up...@chromium.org
Hey Joshua, thanks so much for that additional context!
It's great to hear some of today's error cases will no longer be relevant, and that new ones may be introduced during the migration. I think this may give my team reason to revisit the proposal that led to the request in crbug/985209 first, and allow implementation to follow later (at an unspecified time that works for your larger timelines).
Given current timelines, understanding that they're not concrete and may shift, do you think that there would be enough error cases identified (and/or new codes planned) by the spring to partner with our team and UX on initial strategy? If so, we could then apply the strategy to additional new error codes that may arise, allowing for flexibility / a moving target.
Thanks again!
Craig Tumblison
Jan 19, 2022, 9:00:30 PM1/19/22
to Joshua Pawlicki, Sorin Jianu, Mark Mentovai, chrome-up...@chromium.org
Note: We're going to continue this discussion off of the mailing list for the moment. Thanks all!
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